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...or motorbikes in bus lanes....
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I think I might agree.
You'll also remember the debacle that was the so called road planning that went on some time ago. Millions spent on traffic management/calming. The idea (publicly) was improve traffic flow, privately it was to sicken drivers out of coming into town in their own car.
All the changes eventually got revoked because it was total disaster.
The trams I think are more to do with Labour when they were in power at Holyrood. Nothing but a white elephant vanity project that the SNP couldn't dump.
As a rule, all councils are shit. Council tax is shit, the management are also shit. The people who work at the bottom level are as sick of the shit the council come up with as we are.
In essence, councils are shit.
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I couldn't disagree more.
'Scottishness' is for the benefit of tourism and image. Currently its better to be Scottish than it is to be British. (It just is.)
What bugs my tits more than anything else when people talk about independence is the assumption that its a divorce, a split or a fracture. Its not, its about a country taking responsibility for itself. How can people who support the union, on the one-hand say England is subsidising the Scots then on the other say, they shouldn't take responsibility for themselves?
Homecoming Scotland. Not sure what went on there. I think it was punted out abroad but not at home. The events themselves made a loss, but in terms of tourism, they expect a gain. The Jury is still out on the whole idea. I can't find any reports of business's closing because of it.
You're right though about the brain dead idiots. But those city councils you mention are not SNP ran. Aberdeen is Lib Dem dominated, Glasgow is Labour (obviously) and Edinburgh has the SNP in third place for numbers. Call me cynical, but it makes sense for a labour-ran council (for example) to cock things up in order for the sitting political party to look bad.
That said, I don't like the SNP, they're too knee jerk in their politics. But dismissing independance because you fear the outcome can't be right? To re-iterate, its not about escaping or getting away from the English. Its about taking responsibility for ourselves and working in partnership with countries we share a border. I can't see any English person disagreeing with that?
I'm not sure what will transpire and I have to say, I'd hesitate to vote yes for independance if its with the SNP in its current form (because they're crap.) I would vote for DEVMAX at this time though.
As for 'Scottishness'. Its in the eye of the beholder. For me, its tartan, shortbread, bagpipes, see-you-jimmy-hats etc etc etc. Its about extracting money from American tourists. Beyond that, its about being a country that isn't dependant on England and its tax payers to survive.
I don't even know if we do need English money to survive, its designed to be impossible to tell. Labour know that a huge portion of their vote comes from the north. If Scotland did go independant, they'd find it much harder to get into power with a huge of section of English voters favouring the tories.
| ulthar wrote: | The Scottish government spent more than it raised in taxes with the UK government plugging the gap. This can not be sustained and I am afraid that Scotland is going to end up with no money. Many services which were provided for free are now being scrapped. There were energy projects which the government claimed would bring in millions and provide thousands of jobs have done neither. |
Total scaremongering. Are you an Scots-hating English nationalist? I would ask you to back up these claims but I realise its only a chat room. Suffice to say, about 99% of the above is untrue, the 1% that may be true has to be taken within the context of a global down turn.
Whats the problem with us taking control of our economy and future and working with our neighbours on equitable terms?
Other than Alex Salmond being a bit of a tit, I don't see what the problem is.
Its all moot anyway, Scotland has been in charge down in London for ages, unfortunately our agents seem to have fucked it up somewhat... Ooops...
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| ulthar wrote: | Scottishness is nothing more than a parody of Scotland. Yes, the tourists, it benefits the tourists. Nevermind the people who live here, its always the tourists. Scotland isn't a fairground.
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The UK relies on tourism and Scotland in particular more so. How can you on the one hand say Scotland isn't a fair ground (which it isn't, yet) then on the other moan about budget cuts. We rely on tourist money.
It is precisely scare mongering. None of those reports say any business went bust, only that they lost out. When taken in context of the financial crisis, arguably its no really surprising.
More importantly, the report you allude to was generated by the offices of Jim Murphy, a labour politician. Labour have the most to lose (even more than the Tories) if devmax or independance as achieved.
| ulthar wrote: | I do not buy into devolution nor independence. Scottish Nationalism is a recent phenomenon with little basis in fact. The Nationalist would probably rewrite Scottish history to the way they see it if they could but they have to be content with spouting out lies and omitting parts of Scottish history for their own vested interests. I don't understand why Scotland needs independence anyway. The reasons given are dubious and subjective. Independence is a split from England and Wales. People talk about English rule as if its China/Tibet situation when its nothing of the sort. I don't get what you are saying about taking responsibility for itself yet to work in partnership? So independence is about creating more bureaucracy? The whole basis of independence is to get away from the supposed tyranny from England to be a seperate state because its our "destiny". England is just as dependent on Scotland as Scotland is dependent on England. Its not a one sided relationship as some would like you to believe. |
Utter crap. All that you say can be attributed to the unionist argument too so you rule your own arguments out. Did you read what I said about independance? What you've typed above is your take on it which is obviously skewed in favour of the union.
| I wrote: | What bugs my tits more than anything else when people talk about independence is the assumption that its a divorce, a split or a fracture. Its not, its about a country taking responsibility for itself. How can people who support the union, on the one-hand say England is subsidising the Scots then on the other say, they shouldn't take responsibility for themselves? |
| ulthar wrote: | Many businesses are spread around Britain, many institutions co-operate with each other, conservation groups operate throughout and people have the freedom to travel around the country unhindered. The current division is having negative effect on safeguarding our heritage as charities are struggling financially and are considering merging with others across the border. |
Again you assume it would be a split, it wouldn't. All that would happen is we'd be responsible for making our own choices. What your advocating is a bit like you letting your next door neighbour tell you what to spend your money on or who you should allow into your flat/house. The border wouldn't close, business' would still trade as they've always done You've really bought into the manufactured fear generated by the parties against devmax/independace.
I'm not going to bother quoting anything else because its dross of the first order. I'm no huge fan of the SNP but I support the general aim of independance with strong links with the rest of the uk. As to your wailings about there being no support for independence, again, complete drivel as there has been no referendum. Arguably, that the SNP have 47 sitting MSP's and labour have 46, your statement is rendered totally false.
Because of the huge difference in population, there will always be inequity between England and Scotland, your own imagined idea that it would be a split, a divorce, that our borders would be closed is tripe. It would be no different to how it is now, same money, same exchange rate, shared defence strategy. The UK government is crapping itself because if Scotland does go it alone, England would be a much smaller state and would lose out hugely, financially and politically.
So much of what you've said can't be quantified so isn't worthy of a response.
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You can be as Scottish as you want to be.
That is what Scottish is all about.
Anyone who says otherwise is talking pish.
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