'Open Carry' in America

[Kickstart]

Hi

And where do you draw the line? Would they be happier is JSA was doubled? What about eliminated? Is the anger from not getting things or from an attitude of "I'm important, give me everything", gained from never realising how useless they are (can't tell them off in school, hell can't even let them come last in sports)?

All the best

Keith
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[Hetzer]

Broadly speaking the anger comes from being regarded as scum from day one and being expected to have no greater aspiration than to be worked like a dumb brute for the rest of their lives for a pittance. Most are subconsciously aware of their lot, but there are plenty who are consciously aware of it too and stir the rest along.

It's not as plain a picture as my words appear to suggest, there are a 1001 other components in the mix (feeling like a worthwhile member of the community, self-esteem, reason for existing etc etc etc).
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[Kickstart]

Hi

I can see where you are coming from but not sure I agree with it being justifiable. Given that the opportunities, aspirations, etc are far more than in the past or in many other countries. Maybe the aspirations people have been encouraged to aim at are not vaguely realistic.

All the best

Keith
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[Hetzer]

Not justifiable (targetting their own at least) but entirely understandable. If it's a recognized fact that the relatively well-off upper middle classes are suffering from existential angst how much worse must it be for the lower classes?

We live in a society that has become totally bereft of any kind of spiritual quality, and now we're all paying the price.
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[Kickstart]

Hi

Possibly true that reduced "spiritual quality" has contributed, but that has derived from reduction in religious belief as more people have decided that they do not believe. But not sure that can change without indoctrination. However not sure that on its own it will cause problems if people have realistic expectations.

If someone grows up with the expectations pushed far beyond what is possible then when reality bites they will feel let down. Not everyone can be at the top of the pile, irrespective of their ability. Failure should be part of learning, not something to be avoided.

All the best

Keith
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[Hetzer]

[Minty]

[Kickstart]

[smegballs]

I came up with a compromise with an anti-gun pacifist friend the other day.

"I'll give up my guns when the police and army give up theirs...."

I think this is a fair compromise plus one that goes puts us pro-gunners out as it would mean losing guns for sport and recreation.

she agreed.

[pa_broon74]

The trouble is (and its the same when you try and ban something) all you end up doing is taking the item out of the hands of those who wouldn't necessarily use it for nefarious purposes (ok, police and army slightly to one side there.)

You can't uninvent the gun, criminals won't hand them in so Polic have to have them and on a larger scale so do armies...

I think the whole violence thing is so bad here because there are less opportunities. People I think are kicking back but in a very passive aggressive way, not paying tax or insurance for example. Nothing serious for the most part, just a general 'why should I when they don't'.

I think cynicism is the new spirituality. A mixture of shit governance driven by rampant in your face global greed and mismanagement. People (I think) are beginning get a wee bit pissed off. The key thing is though (and I think hetzer touched on this) the more you have to lose the bigger the risk you take. Those at the bottom have a lot less so perhaps are more prone to criminality than someone with a house and car on HP, maybe a flat screen telly and laptop.

If you raise the bar generally, make people more comfortable (not just with material or cash) but with security and options, they'll be much less likely to kick off.

Or something. If not that then magically exchange all firearms for waterpistols. Tanks can fire water balloons, that's a war I'd like to see fought.


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