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Posted: 22:58 - 23 Oct 2023 Post subject: Road legal offroader that can take a pillion well. |
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I made the mistake of listening to the liars who say bmw f650gs are capable of going off road. Yes they can get you there very slowly, without any smiling whatsoever along the way while constantly grounding out the belly, bottoming their suspension, and having zero front end grip.
Looking for a cheap, very capable offroader that can carry a pillion well. Any suggestions?
Really like the klr650 but not much choice available just now and stupid money for really old bikes, plus i would like just a bit more power.
Honda crf450x - would need to fabricate a reinforcement for the subframe and somewhere to mount pillion pegs, and respring and revalve the rear shock, is it worth it? Who knows. Anyone tried?
Xr600/650 where did they all go? Once upon a time there were loads for sale now 1 or 2 in the whole country.
Dr650, i had overlooked these, because they seem old fashioned for their age, but suddenly started taking an interest again. There is a reasonably priced 790cc bigbore kit available, seems perfect. Too perfect? What are the downsides I am missing? Shite 90s brakes i suppose. There must be an upgrade path for that i would imagine.
No ktms. Never again. I fucking hate pushing a broken bike through mud. On too many occasions. Oil all over my new thor boots after endless expensive breakdowns i wanted to burn the fucker but had to recoup some money at least.
Africa twin? Never ridden one. Are they too heavy for bing bashing?
Xtz660 tenere? The last few yamahas I had were all loads of fun at full throttle, but didnt like part throttle bimbling with my daughter on the back, not much torque and flatsports until you gun it. Are these the same or are they better mannered. Too road biased or not? Had a wr250 a wr450 and an xt550, ty80, dt50, dt 125, dt250, 350ypvs, xs250, xs400, xs1100, fj1100, 701 waveblaster so kind of yamahad out for a while i think. |
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Posted: 23:59 - 23 Oct 2023 Post subject: |
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The carbed XTZ660s are very well behaved at lower speeds because they have a twin carb setup. They run on a single small slide carb up to about 1/3 throttle then pick up a big CV carb at larger throttle openings. Works very well.
Probably something of a handful offroad in terms of size and weight but no more so than a DR or KLR650.
Standard oddball recommendations: Enfield himalayan. Van Van 200. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
I did the 2010 Round Britain Rally on my 350 Bullet. 89 landmarks, 3 months, 9,500 miles. |
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Off-road pillion? Poor sod.
I recently came across the Fantic Caballero 500 which I’m considering for commuting and weekend B-road bimbling having frequently found myself on narrow country roads wondering whether a sportsbike was the right tool (although for getting there and back, it was). I have no idea about off-roading but it looks right to me.
https://www.motorcyclenews.com/bike-reviews/fantic/caballero-500-scrambler/2019/ |
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The OP rejects perceived wisdom, wants to take a pillion off-road and thinks there is no such thing as enough power. |
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The trails you're wanting to ride at Broxburn Bing, are they public rights of way? The obvious answer is to get her on her own bike rather than you carrying ~60kg of pillion but her being 11 complicates things. |
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MarJay wrote: | Sounds like the answer is 2 bikes. Perceived wisdom always used to be that for off road the lighter the better, but in latter years we’ve all been sold the kool aid of Adventure bikes being actual off roaders. It’s f’in bollocks of the highest degree. A lighter bike is always going to be better than a heavy one off road and you do not need a lot of power off road. For touring you need big, which usually means heavy. A BMW GS is NOT an off-roader it’s very much the equivalent of a BMW X5 - people want the image but never actually take them off road. |
This is very true. At a recent long distance trial, there were a few guys on slightly bigger ADV bikes. Now this isn't rock-hopping stuff, most of the sections are fairly steep or narrow footpaths or bits of greenlane (there's an odd proper obstacle thrown in there). First section was essentially a sheep path up a grass/heather slope. I waltzed up it on the Enfield 350 with its massive 11-ish bhp. Walk in the park for the other guys on twinshock greenlaners (betas and suchlike). Two ADV bikes on the run. The F650 never got away from the start line which was effectively a muddy gate mouth. The guy on the CCM 604 footed all the way up and dropped it twice. The BMW didn't even make it along the greenlane to the next section.
Not the riders, I'm green as grass when it comes to offroad riding and the enfield is the pinnacle of early 1950's offroad technology (when they were still arguing over wether a ridgid back end or one of these new-fangled swingarms was better offroad).
These ADV bikes are too big, too heavy and make too much power for offroad riding. They just sit in the mud and spin the wheels. I have a mate who does heavy enduro and rides a big KTM over some gnarly as hell stuff but it looks like a total struggle-bus from start to finish, someone would ride rings around it on a TTR225, or even a CT125. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
I did the 2010 Round Britain Rally on my 350 Bullet. 89 landmarks, 3 months, 9,500 miles. |
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