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Posted: 16:16 - 08 Dec 2023 Post subject: |
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We're actually still doing rather well comparative to say The Netherlands a coountry of 1/4 our size (approx) but half the net migration (400,000 last year to NL I believe).
Hence the popularity of Mr Wilders.
The left also want lower immigration to boost wages for the lower skilled jobs - that's what I heard anyway. Only Guardian readers want to promote unlimited immigration as it suits both their narrative and their living standards. ____________________ Now: A100, GT250A, XJ598, FZ750
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Nobby the Bastard wrote: |
Me? I see food rotting in fields and a care system collapsing because we can't get anyone to do the work for the wages available. |
You're quite right, food is still very cheap compared to 30+ years ago due to both farming efficiencies (bigger machines) and cheaper imported labour.
Agriculture is really a big success story for the UK I believe.
Even if we did up the wages to employ local workers it would still be cheap enough. The care system is slightly different - fewer opportunities for economies of scale. ____________________ Now: A100, GT250A, XJ598, FZ750
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Another bright Brexit news:
Quote: | Britain's departure from the European Union has cost its economy some £140 billion (€162.87 billion) so far...average Briton was nearly £2,000 worse off in 2023, while the average Londoner was nearly £3,400 worse off last year as a result of Brexit,...the overall cost of leaving the EU is going to swell to £311 billion (€361.8 billion) by 2035, as UK output, investment, exports, imports, employment and productivity are all expected to be lower than if the UK had remained in the EU. |
https://www.euronews.com/business/2024/01/12/brexit-here-is-how-much-it-has-cost-for-british-people
Farage and the new Reform party say the right Brexit require the UK to leave ECHR and the Solar system no later then 2030. Only then the UK will be completely sovereign country with mo borders to any other contry. Obviously this will stop the regular boats. Not sure about the space boats provided by Elon Musk.
Aliens are not happy:
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/techandscience/nasa-sees-unexpected-and-unexplained-signal-coming-from-outside-our-galaxy/ar-AA1mSE6m ____________________ Adrian Monk: Unless I'm wrong, which, you know, I'm not...
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Another Brexit benefits kicked off
Quote: | Phase one
Food and drink from the EU is categorised into high, medium and low risk categories under the Border Target Operating Model (BTOM).
From 31st January 2024, European businesses exporting ‘medium risk’ plant and animal products to the UK will have to submit extra paperwork known as health certificates.
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https://www.signable.co.uk/uk-import-rules-2024/
End of 2024 Brexit will in full force the UK finally leaving
Quote: | From 30th April 2024, physical checks to medium risk products will be introduced. Existing inspections of high risk plants/plant products from the EU will move from destination to Border Control Posts.
Phase three
From 31st October 2024, safety and security (S&S) declarations for imports from the EU will become mandatory. |
You can expect the full impact of Brexit red tape to the UK in 2025.
Meanwhile 60% of the UK wants to rejoin the EU already even before the Brexit is fully implemented yet, good news yes
https://www.whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/should-the-united-kingdom-join-the-european-union-or-stay-out-of-the-european-union/?removed=removed&pollster%5B%5D=omnisis
For the record in 2021 only 40% of German were fine to get back the UK.
Fine with me I prefer to have proper EU federation state with an army then having back the UK. ____________________ Adrian Monk: Unless I'm wrong, which, you know, I'm not...
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Ste wrote: | Val wrote: | Fine with me I prefer to have proper EU federation state with an army then having back the UK. |
Why does the EU need an army?
Would that army be a duplicate of what European countries already have? |
To save money and have better defence? United 27 countries will be much stronger. That goes for EU in NATO too. NATO will be stronger with stronger EU army. What is the problem with having stronger army supporting the free west democracy from Russia? Unless you are the traitors Trump and Farage supporting Putin I don't see the problem here? seriously why you guys want the West to be weaker? Do explain.
The European Union has a mix of 30 kinds of tanks, 20 types of planes, and 27 different military offices. The U.S., on the other hand, has just one military headquarters and fewer kinds of tanks and planes. If European countries shared their military resources and worked together more, they might be stronger within NATO and less reliant on the U.S.
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If an EU army is based on the German model -which let's face it, it will be- it will have no remit for executive action. The deployment of such a force will be at the behest of, under discussion by and under the control of the parliament.
As such, in any situation where such an army would be useful, it would be tied up in interdepartmental bickering and micro-managing to such an extent that any threat would have either gone or become unmanageable by the time it gets the go-ahead to act. Even when it does, it's remit would be restrictive and inflexible.
Worst of all situations when it comes to military action.
But then there's what happens if you DO have a remit for executive action. Will member states be comfortable with their troops being deployed on the say-so of whomever is given that remit? ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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Ste wrote: |
Why does the EU need an army in the first place?
Would it be in addition to each countries own military?
Not having an EU army would save money.
Val wrote: | United 27 countries will be much stronger. That goes for EU in NATO too. NATO will be stronger with stronger EU army. What is the problem with having stronger army supporting the free west democracy from Russia? Unless you are the traitors Trump and Farage supporting Putin I don't see the problem here? seriously why you guys want the West to be weaker? Do explain. |
Nobody has said they want the West to be weaker, I'm trying to understand what this EU army would look like and a good starting point for that is to know what the EU needs an army for. The combined military strength of the EU is already quite impressive, duplicating that and giving control of that to the EU seems strange.
Val wrote: | The European Union has a mix of 30 kinds of tanks, 20 types of planes, and 27 different military offices. The U.S., on the other hand, has just one military headquarters and fewer kinds of tanks and planes. If European countries shared their military resources and worked together more, they might be stronger within NATO and less reliant on the U.S. |
Is this about increasing military spending or is it about the EU becoming a military power? |
Nobody wants to double the 27 armies. EU will have much better one combined army which also will be stronger and will save money. Economies of scale are cost savings that one combined EU army can reap as a result of efficient procurement and standartisation.
It will be easier to maintain and supply one army with say one or two main battle tanks then 27 separate armies with 30 different types of tanks. It is about less military spending which will be more effective and stronger military power too. This will help NATO and the UK defence too unless you say you want to leave NATO. ____________________ Adrian Monk: Unless I'm wrong, which, you know, I'm not...
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stinkwheel wrote: | If an EU army is based on the German model -which let's face it, it will be- it will have no remit for executive action. The deployment of such a force will be at the behest of, under discussion by and under the control of the parliament.
As such, in any situation where such an army would be useful, it would be tied up in interdepartmental bickering and micro-managing to such an extent that any threat would have either gone or become unmanageable by the time it gets the go-ahead to act. Even when it does, it's remit would be restrictive and inflexible.
Worst of all situations when it comes to military action.
But then there's what happens if you DO have a remit for executive action. Will member states be comfortable with their troops being deployed on the say-so of whomever is given that remit? |
US is federated state why the EU federation with army will not have remit for executive action? EU federation army will have a joint command governed by decisions of EU Parliament. Member states will have no say. The same way Florida or Texas has no say when US deply the army. All EU citizens will have democratic say via Parliament.
Much more democratic then bombing people based on unelected PM decision like the UK. ____________________ Adrian Monk: Unless I'm wrong, which, you know, I'm not...
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