Does ethnicity relate to intelligence?

[Mister James]

[craigie b]

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[biggerjohn]

Well said Craigie B



Other than the profanity and use emotive descriptive terms that is.


Why is seeking to understand the human condition wrong?


Spiral its people like you with your unwillingness to ask difficult question or what’s even worse here the answer to the same questions if they challenge your ideals that kept Europe in the grips of a dark age for 500 years back then it was religious ideals that where been used to subjugate science and hold back are understanding of the world around us. Now you want to herald in a new Dark Age driven by the PC ideal we are all the same and no one can say differently even if the evidence is staring us in the face.

[craigie b]

Excuse the profanity.....The PC squad just angers me when they try to tell you how to think.

[biggerjohn]

[colin1]

Athletic ability is affected by training and i believe that measured intelligence is also affected by how much intelligence is developed by exposure to ideas and information

You wont do very well on some iq tests if you had crap english teachers or crap maths teachers for example, or in schools with low expectations and poor discipline.

so if some races do less well, you cant seperate genetic causes from environmental causes

Environmental or cultural causes for differences in intelligence would be more acceptable, but if someone managed to somehow prove genetic cause, it would be more contentious. However I dont think it can be done.
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[craigie b]

The PC brigade should read Orwells 1984.

[Spiral]

I belive there are subjects that science should leave well alone, cloning for instance.

Say there is proof that white men are more intelligent than black men, were will it end?

How long before white people are given preference over black people for university places because science says they are
genetically smarter and more likely to succeed?

As craigie b himself said 'we don't have fucking mongoloids flying aircraft, or quadroplegic bus drivers, bank managers who cannot add, driving instructors who can't drive. People have equal rights and liberties but that does not make them equal in stature or fucking ability'

So if in this world were we have labeled black people as less intelligent if a black man gets chosen over a white person for a position of a bus driver

He crashes the bus does this mean all the passengers can sue the bus company because they did not hire a white driver?

The fact is no society other than a racist one will ever declare the fact that one race is better smarter faster than another, as it would lead down a very dangerous path.

Societys have to think of the whole rather than pander to a single section of its community.

Does anyone understand this concept or im just just talking to bnp fanboys.
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[Spiral]

The original report being the book 'The Bell Curve: Intelligence and Class Structure in American Life'

This book is full of mistakes ranging from sloppy reasoning to mis-citations of sources to outright mathematical errors and the mistakes in the book are all directed in proving the authors theory.

The authors set out to "prove" that black people are less intelligent than white ones by modifying IQ tests that are not culturally biased and a valid measure of intelligence to begin with they reach the conclusion they set out to find.

Anyhows the book has been debunked by loads of people far more intelligent than any one here, and they aren't all white people either.
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[craigie b]

[craigie b]

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[Spiral]

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[Spiral]

Read through it, though this at the top kinda de bunked all the stats right from the start.

It is uncertain what the average IQ or subgroup IQ tests scores would be with more complete studies in the developing world. IQ test scores in the developing world may be affected by factors less important in the developed world such as nutritional deficiencies. Most of the remainder of this article refers to studies attempting to explain race differences in IQ test scores in the US, and does not refer to the world as a whole.

The fact that this article as they say themselves does not contain other races from around the world does not help its case.

and this from another page.

In response to the controversy surrounding The Bell Curve, the American Psychological Association's Board of Scientific Affairs in 1995 established a special task force to publish an investigative report on the research presented in the book. [3]. Regarding genetic causes, they noted that there is not much direct evidence on this point, but what little there is fails to support the genetic hypothesis. The january 1997 issue of American Psychologist included eleven critical responses to the APA report, most of which criticized the report's failure to examine all of the evidence for or against the partly-genetic interpretation of racial differences in IQ
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Hi

So using a specific country to avoid more unknowns debunks it? The opposite would be more likely.

Whether it is genetic, cultural background related, diet or (quite possibly the most likely) poorly developed IQ tests is not really the point. A difference has been found. Research will find the cause, unless everyone is too scared and instead sticks their head in the sand.

All the best

Keith
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[craigie b]

[craigie b]

Spiral, I would have more respect for you and your opinion if you had the open mindedness displayed here.....

[Spiral]

I can agree with science pursing its interests but we are only discovering what makes us who we are.

And putting out ideas like racial superiority when you do not have all the facts is irresponsible.

For instance the more we learn about the human genome through research the more there is to explore, more than 50% of the human genome is unknown to us and the human genome sequence is almost (99.9%) exactly the same in all people.

It will be a long time before we truly know all that there is to know which is another reason why i argue that at the moment it is not even feasible to argue that one race is smarter than another when we do not even have all the facts.
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[Spiral]

I agree, i would not say a nominal difference in IQ leads to racial superiority either.

But it angers me that this sort of research can lead to people believing that one race is lesser than another in certain aspects.

And i can only imagine the glee that white supremacists take when such articles are presented, plus they would use such research to add weight to their own arguments.
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