What next? Now MAG are joining in!

dainesefreak · World Chat Champion Joined: 04 Apr 2003 Karma :

I think we all/most of us agree that the training side needs to be sorted out/is inadequate and generally agree with what MAG are saying.

The reason that I originally posted the story was not only the "horribly written article", which I completely agree is badly written, but the fact the MAG also seems to have published an attack on a group of the biking public be it deliberately or not. Probably criticizing a good majority of those that keep MAG funded and in fact do not recognize themselves as those that have been criticized. I accept what Keith has said about the article being butchered but they should really be more careful, we all know how notorious the British press are.

All I was trying to say was at this time with all the pressure that is being applied by anti-bike groups, the government and "top celebs", the last thing we need is in fighting. We need to present a united front and be seen to be helping ourselves and being constructive not damaging. If we attack one particular group we attack biking in general because these people do not see the difference.

Mr C · World Chat Champion Joined: 24 Feb 2003 Karma :

Keith you are missing the point I think

I agree, people do die, often needlessly and we all have to take responsibility for our own actions

but

and it's a big BUT

if we allow this to go on and do nothing to change the attitudes of the non bike riding public and the BAB brigade at the same time then we WILL be legislated against

it's in our hands at the moment

but for how long
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Kris · World Chat Champion Joined: 03 Feb 2002 Karma :

I feel MAG have their hearts in the right place on this one, although their arguments and suggestions are all flawed. Whatever you think of the government 'doing something' to reduce the casualties - as long as the accidents rates go up, then we only have ourselves to blame.

As for MAG's argument against speed and for restrictions etc, I think that argument is the wrong one tbh. What we are looking at is BAB's losing it on left handers, probably sub-50mph and throwing themselves into walls/cars etc. A BAB can still go round a blind left hander at 60 odd on a 125 FFS. The argument is all wrong and will most likely affect the rest of the biking community rather than the BAB's as intended.

Oh and that article was absolute biased shite. Are there no bikers in the national press?
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sv_cath · Could Be A Chat Bot Joined: 19 Apr 2004 Karma :

Talking of statistics - could the reason that a higher percentage of road deaths are motorcyclists be that cars are being manufactured to be stronger and safer so the occupants can withstand bigger accidents, whilst bikes are basically no more protective than they've ever been?
Just a thought... Thinking

JimboJ · Manc Pikey Joined: 23 Aug 2002 Karma :

sv_cath, as far as I am aware they are made to be softer! they are designed to impact pedestrians etc.

James
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hush · Scooby Slapper Joined: 04 Apr 2004 Karma :

Cockpits of cars are being reinforced, but crumple zones are being improved, a boon for peds on the road and good for car drivers. Does make you wonder whether anything can be done structually to improve the safety of bikes for their riders.

Mr C · World Chat Champion Joined: 24 Feb 2003 Karma :

Keith

my argument is not for banning anyhting, quite the reverse

by training people better we may avoid the inevitable restriction legislation and if it saves the life of a 40 something father of two then hey - bonus eh?

and hardly anyone is killed racing bikes as the mortal risks have been removed by legislation aimed at the tracks and race organisers - but shed loads more needless deaths occur on our roads than on our rivers

and the cornering example has nothing to do with skidding and everything to do with knowing your machine and its capabilities

how many R1s do you see with 1" chicken strips? - these guys simply do not know how far you CAN lean a modern sportsbike whilst maintaining more than adequate grip and so they opt for the opposite and far worse course of action - braking
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indeed we all ride motorbikes because of george cluney and ewan mcgregor Laughing

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divuk83 · World Chat Champion Joined: 27 Nov 2003 Karma :

Some good points made here. But I just have to say....
What on earth is all that rubbish in the article about "celebrities" having bikes and being involved in accidents? Cant say any of us were "Egged on" by losers such as George Clooney having a bike. I didn't know any of the people listed in that had bikes?

Dave

Flip · Super Spammer Joined: 28 Feb 2004 Karma :

What a pile of w*nk. Alan Titchmarsh f*ck off and sort out some bints garden. Tosser!

atom · Scooby Slapper Joined: 26 Apr 2004 Karma :

Yeh, I blame Euan McGregor and now I blame George (He's a biker looney) Clooney, its thier fault they made me do it.

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Luke_Retrofly · Silly Lesbian Joined: 05 Jul 2003 Karma :

Hi
The only way I can see you will lower deaths if 1. You ride less miles. 2.Dont get a bike.

This obviously isnt going to happen, If one person runs acrross a mind field he may servive, but if he dies the statistic is 1. If 100 people run accross the and 50 people die, 50 is now the statistic. The number has increased 1000% but nothing has changed no mines were added etc, just more people decided to risk it. Sorry to put it in such a simple annalergy, but thats how simple it it. Until the gouvernment realize, the more we do something slightly risky, the more chance we have of injury.

You could say "ban" bikes, but as other people have reffered to, you could easily ban "walking up ladders" obviously stupid.

I wonder what the probability of me die would be if I did a parachute jump twice a day everyday (about as much as I ride my bike) then tell me hpw likely Im going to die. Yet nothing is said about this. Why I dont know, bah I think im babbling so ill stop now.

The way I see it is bikers are in the minority, therefore an easy target, motocyclists to car drivers outweigh us proabably 20 to 1 maybe more. Therefore when it comes to public opinion, elections, refferendums, we will be an easy target to get the "statistics" down. So the gouvenment can sit smugley in parliament and say blah blah blah.

We all know the risks, as do the bungeee jumper, parachutists, freee diver etc. Let us have our 1 passion in our robotic 9 to 5 office job, ready meal lives. Id rather die on my bike at 40 then falling down the stairs because ive just shit myself while struggling to get to the toilet on my zimmer frame at 70.

Luke

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I was annoyed that I lost my MAG membership card. Ah well it's no longer a source of worry to me.
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