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Jefr0 |
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Jefr0 World Chat Champion
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Posted: 15:36 - 26 Feb 2019 Post subject: ULEZ Loophole |
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Hi all
It mentions it in the other thread (TFL letter also attached) that for motorcycles are subject to ULEZ if:
Registered after July 2007
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NOx emissions equal to or less than 0.15 grams per kilometer
If you get hold of your NOx emissions from your v5 you can email TFL to prove your bike is not subject to ULEZ and they'll update their database with your bike alone (not entire model range)
As most people have realized, this information is usually blanked out on the v5. For Honda, you can contact:
certificateofconformity@honda-eu.com
I emailed Honda and got my certificate of conformity, which for my bike happens to be 0.19g/km.
My bike is a Honda XR 125 L3 - 53 plate.
I've been emailing TFL with what I think is a fair argument:
A Honda XR 125 L6 - 07 plate will fail if registered before July 2007.
A Honda XR 125 L6 - 57 plate will pass if registered after July 2007.
It's the exact same bike, yet one fails. The bike hasn't changed since even my L3. The L6 also produces 0.19g/km, which would mean you're subject to ULEZ.
It's the exact same bike? That's what I've been trying to get across to TFL with no luck. I have a L3 and a L6 both registered before July 2007, which emit the exact same emissions as an L6 July 2007 onwards...
Anyone had any luck as this is pretty frustrating I have two bikes I use for work, which emit the same emissions so going to have to sell them both, then by another XR or two, 57 plate onwards when they're all the same bike!
Has anyone got around the loophole and found their bike less than 0.15g/km or had a similar argument to mine above which I think is fair...
Cheers
Jeff ____________________ Rides: Honda XR 125 ('03) Honda CBR 600F ('91), Ducati 916 Biposto ('95) |
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Source a completely fucked later bike and use the plate. ____________________ Chances are quite high you are not in my Monkeysphere, and I don't care about you. Don't take it personally.
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SUZUKI CERTIFICATE OF CONFORMITY LINK HERE - however they charge £95 for it.
not sure its worth applying until I know what my 02 bandit 600 pumps out.
EDIT - first reference I find is for a 99, Greenhouse gases: 15.3 CO2 g/km. (CO2 - Carbon dioxide emission) . doesn't look good . ____________________ Current : '08 Yamaha FZ1s
Previous: '99 Honda CBR 600FX, 03 ZX636 B1H, 99 Fazer 600 (red), 02 GSX-R 600 K2, 00 SV650s (red), 2008 ZX10R, 97 Bandit 1200N, 04 ZX6RR K1H, 04 GSX-R 1000, 98 Fazer 600 (gold), 05 Madness 110 Pit bike, 04 CR125R, 00 SV650s (black), 06 KTM 625 SMC, 99 SRAD 600 track bike, 03 SV650, 98 Bandit 1200N, Bandit 600SY, 03 GSX-R 600 K3, 01 GSX-R 600, 01 Fazer 600 (black), VFR 400 NC30 x3, 78 Honda Dream, 00 Speedfight 50 |
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I'll stick my neck out and say that no pre-2007 carbed bike is going to be ULEZ compliant. ____________________ a.k.a 'Geri'
132.9mph off and walked away. Gear is good, gear is good, gear is very very good |
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It'll be a real money-spinner for the place that's authorised. £175 to tell you your carbed bike never stood a chance. ____________________ a.k.a 'Geri'
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Cheaper to find a place which has a 5 gas analyser and pay them do do a test. You'll still need to fork out for the official test if it passes but at least you won't be shelling out the full amount to find out your nox is way too high anyway. ____________________ a.k.a 'Geri'
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My first post here, and although I'm well into retirement, I get quite curmudgenly about legislation and BS. Ridden bikes since I was 16, and spent 20yrs despatching, so I've clocked a few.
ULEZ & LEZ. It's an expensive con designed to raise money to pay for Khan's budget deficits.
I don't have a bike that is newer than 1978 so that puts mine in the Historic class tax wise. But even so, there are anomalies in the system (surprised?). If government can make a mess of things or keep secrets and feed you lies - they will - and do.
But the vehicle checker website of TfL for checking to see if your Historic is exempt, comes up with too many anomalies. For example; a bunch of bikes I used to have from around 1974 are all rejected and must pay (despite them being over 40yrs old (why??), but the N reg. 1972 37ft long 49 seater Green Line coach such as I used to drive with an 8.2 litre turbocharged diesel - is exempt! As are some of the old bangers I had back when.
The London ULEZ requires £12.50 a day. It's a con. As written in the latest MAG journal, TfL place a limit of 0.15g/km as the limit above which charges apply. But where's that limit come from? Turns out it's a modelling program called COPERT 5, the technical development of which was financed by the European Environment Agency. Wuugh!
Well, I've tried getting into that lot and failed. But I know a man who has succeeded, and his discovery is that TfL's upper limit of NOx at 0.15g/km can be bettered by virtually all motorcycles. In fact, the so-called "dirty two strokes" like my MZ ES125 and all others, can halve that number! And yet, the latest diesel cars meeting Euro6c and are also exempt, but put out 0.21g/km!!
I've a letter off to TfL right now, but like most government organisations a reply may not be forthcoming. At least Santa writes back.
The other kicker is: NOx quantities in the air if reduced to the amount Mr Khant wants, then single lives might be increased by 3½hrs in total life expectancy. Elsewhere, one scientist calculated that if all road transport and industry were to close down completely to reduce NOx to zero, an individuals life expectancy would increase by one month. Sadiq's "saving 40,000 lives a year" - nonsense. He should have been here in the early fifties as I was - and I'm still here.
The other BS story is that of CO2. Carbon Dioxide has been labelled a pollutant on government databases and policies are in place to curb it - car tax is based upon it. CO2 is not a pollutant, and its contribution to any alleged global warming is so negligible to be non-existent. It's a natural trace gas in the atmosphere that plants need to survive and thrive. At 400ppmv the current level, we are in a CO2 starvation period as regards plant life. 900ppmv would give us 20% more productivity and food. But attempting to hammer governments with such details only puts you in the nutter category amongst the many who have swallowed the lie. All global corporate created.
Might look in later (If I get a reply from TfL!). How things change - and get worse with every new unveiled 'plan'. The 'Good Old Days'? No, much is better, but we had fewer people, and fewer Laws. We had some fun.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 5 years, 43 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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