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Its been a long time since they were cutting edge on techonologies and such but they were at about the time of the crusades.
They had access to greek and roman texts which were seen as pagan by christians. |
Techically the eastern roman emipre fell in 1453 with Fall of Constantinople and the death of constantine XI (the last roman emperor). christainty was the main reilgon of the rome empire since the 300,s. so some how l dont think the romans would see there own techonogly as "Pagan". Any techonologies gain by the islamic world have been stolen or assmilated through the people they have conquered.
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Our number system came from the arabs at about the time of the crusades. |
Yes we did gain our modern number system through the arabs but they acquired from the Hindu,s of modern day pakistan during varoius incursion into india between the 7th and 12th centuries.
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Every race has its smart people and its dull people, it is true that the average is different for each race.
Each race has evolved to survive better in its environment, for black people this means smaller brains, lower intelligence (as viewed by western IQ tests), higher hormone levels, larger sexual organs, earlier sexual development, higher aggression which in western civilisations causes higher criminality.
Asian people are the complete opposite, tending to be more intelligent, have low hormone levels, smaller sexual organs, late sexual development, very low aggression and very low criminality.
White people tend to be right in the middle, having the best and worst of both races.
Information taken from the American Renassance December 1994 Issue, "A New Theory of Racial Differences" by Samuel Taylor. |
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| Posted: 23:05 - 17 Apr 2006 Post subject: Re: Does ethnicity relate to intelligence? |
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I bet you 100 quid here and now that you wouldn't because you know you would get your ass kicked. |
I would.
Not because im macho, but because you can rationalise it.
If the black man instantly floored you because he was offended it would somewhat galvanise the view that he is less intelligent.
If he was intelligent enough not to, and actually wanted a rational conversation about it (and i have had this conversation, like i have also had many convos with women about the stereotypes that they ritualistic prove true) i could state that, due to differences in develop etc, i could approach any black man, and the likely hood is;
They will have a larger cock then me
They will be able to run faster then me
Both of which are accepted norms, and therefore not racist ( )
There will always be the ends of the bell curve, the black men with 18 inch cocks, and the black me who have tiny vestigial excuses for a member. But their average will be larger then whites.
Same with average 100 metre times, weight aside im sure there are bloody fast and dog slow black people, but im sure the majority would be faster then a like proportioned white person.
Now why is it so heinous to suggest that as a totally different and independent interbreeding community might have a different bell curve of cognitive development.
I wouldnt call myself a racist, before anyone states i am, but i like to call a spade a spade (as opposed to an espidril... bless dave spikey) - which isnt a pun.
I like to believe what my eyes and mind tell me, and from my experiences i have made my own opinions.
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| Posted: 00:15 - 18 Apr 2006 Post subject: Re: Does ethnicity relate to intelligence? |
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I condemn his views as we do not need these sort of ideas spread about even if they were true. |
Dangerous ground you're getting on there. Supress the truth because it doesn't meet with our ideals?
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It is like me openly saying people with disabilitys are worth less than people without.
It may be true in some cases that a person may not be as physically capable or as intelligent depending on their individual circumstances but we as a society must treat everyone as equal and promote equal rights for all.
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It's got nothing to do with 'worth'. No-one is saying that intelligence relates to your 'worth'. There are a whole lot more important things about ourselves than our intelligence. Intelligence does not make someone more valuable than the next.
No-one - especially not the guy that I linked to - suggested that anyone needs to be treated differently. If I see an asian, white and black guy in front of me, I will assume each one is equal in all ways (mentally) until proven otherwise.
You're absolutely rights that equal rights need to be applied to everyone. Just like men and women must be treated equally in all ways possible.
However, we all know that the education system fails black kids. Maybe they need a different approach to schooling if the above theories are correct?
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At the end of the day the people who come out with these ideas are either racist or so ignorant that to prevent them from offending people the state has to pass laws to make sure they keep their mouths shut. |
Why is he racist? He hasn't discriminated against anyone? Sorry to get back to previous points but its pretty much fact that black guys are more athletic than white guys and that's not a racist idea. However, it's prehaps something that's never talked about...
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Also could i ask anyone who holds the same views which are being expressed would like to stand before a random black man they have just met and say they are smarter than him because they are white?
I bet you 100 quid here and now that you wouldn't because you know you would get your ass kicked. |
Once again, there would be nothing to suggest that the that I am smarter than him, because I wouldn't no anything about him. There is nothing about what the academic above has suggested that means that 'a black man is less intelligent than a white man'.
However, you did suggest he would kick my ass, which means you've assumed he's strong and I'm weak.... which gets back to the physical assumptions which are known and perhaps accepted, if not talked about.
Anyway, I've not said I particuarly agree with his theory, just that it is perfectly plausible. As others have said, there is alot more to intelligence than genetics - upbringing, environment etc... but the basis for what we are is still our genes - they can't be responsible for every cell in our body, but not influence the was our minds work. It's the suppression of his views that worry me.
Bottom line is - everybody needs to be treated equally.
I still always think Oriental guys know karate though! 
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Posted: 10:37 - 18 Apr 2006  Post subject: Re: Does ethnicity relate to intelligence? |
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I condemn his views as we do not need these sort of ideas spread about even if they were true.
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Wow - you're even further down the Bell Curve than Colin!
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It is like me openly saying people with disabilitys are worth less than people without.
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Yet another one of your utterly meaningless and irrelevant comparisons.
It's not like you saying that at all.
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but we as a society must treat everyone as equal and promote equal rights for all.
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So less intelligent children shouldn't receive extra tutition to increase their chances of a decent career?
Disabled people shouldn't receive more day-to-day assistance than me?
Equal rights are not the same thing as treating everyone equally. You can't even type a single sentence without contradicting yourself.
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At the end of the day the people who come out with these ideas are either racist or so ignorant
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that to prevent them from offending people the state has to pass laws to make sure they keep their mouths shut.
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I'm offended by your ignorance, and by boy bands, and by people with common accents. Any chance of the government passing a few laws to shut all of those up?
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Also could i ask anyone who holds the same views which are being expressed would like to stand before a random black man they have just met and say they are smarter than him because they are white?
I bet you 100 quid here and now that you wouldn't because you know you would get your ass kicked. |
You racist git - any random black guy I walk up to is going to resort to violence when I express my opinions? That's the biggest stereotype I've yet to see on these hallowed webpages - ironic considering the fact you are trying to lecture us on our alleged prejudices.
I told an entire room full of africans that I was smarter than them tonight - I often do. Some of them agreed, some of them didn't, all of them laughed, but none of them put me on my arse - despite a couple of them being big enough to do so. Guess your theory doesn't hold up.
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But on the chance your not a troll I would like to point out your comments are deeply offensive and probable the most racist of any within this thread.
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Point out were i have made a racist comment!
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You seem to accept the idea its ok to say blacks often make better athletes and it’s ok to say so. You also seem to accept its ok to say as on average Asians are shorter than Europeans
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no i think this is racist too if you think black athletes are better than whites then you are again making assumptions based on the colour of a person's skin, you just won't accept the fact that they probaly train better and harder than the white competitors.
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I could go on listing genetic characteristics of various peoples of the world and how they differ from others it’s not racist it a statement of fact.
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Yes you could if you wanted, but stating that you are better than them because of the colour of your skin is racist.
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But mention some ones intelligence whether we can accurately quantify it or not and if there is a racial difference in intelligence and you think that’s racist.
Sorry that’s not Racist it’s a stamen of fact irrelevant of with race is more intelligent ok I will admit it’s a as yet unproven fact but still it stands as just what it is a stamen of fact.
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What’s racist is people like you. Instead of seeing a person or a culture and accepting them for what they are with all the strengths and weaknesses you want every one to be just like you and deny there are any differences at all and in that defiance you reject the actual person and can only see them in your blinkered terms.
Sorry not every one cant be the same but that’s what make the world and life interesting place to live in.
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Sorry but now i am lost as the comment above is idiotic, i am not racist i merely want to see everyone treated as equal, some people here seem to want some sort of scientific proof that white people are smarter.
Why might i ask? is it to make all the white racists think they are better than black people.
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And sorry making a judgment on some ones skin colour is not racist.
How you act upon the judgments will define whether your judgment is racist or not. |
If you make a judgement about someone due to the colour of their skin wether you act upon it or not makes you racist
Frankly some of the views expressed here begger belief, you think your having a discussion with reasonable people but when comments are made about racial superiority and people trying to justify the comments you realise you are talking to people who are simply racist.
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Spiral, can you, for example, accept that certain ethnic groups are more likely to develop certain diseases because of their genetic backgrounds? Do deny so would effectively be putting people's lives at risk. There are companies which develop drugs specifically to treat disease in black people. Are those companies racist for doing so?
I take issue with your use of the word 'better'. If I, with two degrees, stand next to someone with no degrees, I am not 'better' (nor necessarily more intelligent!) than that person. No-one is saying that Asians are 'better' than 'whites' because they might, on average, be more intelligent.
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| Quote: | Point out were i have made a racist comment! |
Your entire posting is rascist because your saying we do not have the right to question a genuine scientific questions with regards to intellignce because as white people we have no right too...so you are in effect persecuting white peoples right to openly ask genuine questions
| Quote: | no i think this is racist too if you think black athletes are better than whites then you are again making assumptions based on the colour of a person's skin, you just won't accept the fact that they probaly train better and harder than the white competitors. |
Can you actually back this statement up or are you now resorting to 'making up facts' to side with your opinion 'people shouldn't dicuss issues which could be true but might offend some people'? That kind of attitude helped mask the f*cking holocaust.
As a white person who trains regulary I find it deeply offensive at the fact you just assume white people don't train as hard as their coloured conterparts....because your basing you opinion on pure fucking ignorance.
| Quote: | The view that black sportsmen and women have a natural superiority rests on the evidence of physiological research, largely into two groups of athletes: East African long-distance runners and West African sprinters. East Africa, and Kenya in particular, is the powerhouse of middle- and long-distance running. The top 60 times in the 3,000m steeplechase were all set by Kenyan athletes, who also hold more than half the top times at 5,000m and 10,000m. Most remarkably, the majority of top Kenyan runners come from one area in the country - the Kalenjin region, along the western rim of the Great Rift Valley, adjacent to Lake Victoria. Kalenjin athletes have won more than 70 per cent of Kenya's Olympic medals at running events and all but one of all Kenyan-held world records.
A number of lines of research suggest that the secret of such spectacular success lies in superior biology. All muscle contains two kinds of fibres - fast-twitch and slow-twitch. The former is good at producing explosive bursts of energy, the latter at sustaining muscle effort over long periods. Physiologists have shown that the muscles of Kenyan athletes have a higher proportion of slow-twitch fibres than those of white or West African athletes. Kenyans also enjoy a slighter body profile, have relatively long legs and large lung capacities, and possess more energy-producing enzymes in their muscles, which are thus better able to utilise oxygen.
Athletes of West African descent - and that includes most African American, Caribbean and black British athletes - have, on the other hand, a physique that is suited to explosive events, disciplines that require sprinting and jumping. Such athletes possess what biologists call a mesomorphic physique, with bigger, more visible muscles such as a larger chest. Their muscles contain a higher proportion of fast-twitch fibres than those of white people or East Africans. Athletes of West African descent also have less body fat, a higher centre of gravity, narrower hips and higher levels of testosterone in their blood. |
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| Quote: | i am not racist i merely want to see everyone treated as equal, some people here seem to want some sort of scientific proof that white people are smarter. |
Asking a question, which is a valid question and one that could help unlock the mysteries of how the brain works, how genetics differ from race to race etc is not rascist...its not rascist because its a genuine fucking question which deserves to be answered. It has nothing to do with equality nor does it effect how people are treated. I work and intereact with morons, idiots and fucktards everyday and I view then all equally, regardless of IQ, colour of skin, how many limbs they have. |
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